O.K. you want us to measure out for you Whom is entirely Immeasurable!
Well, the world is immeasurable, time is immeasurable, no one can show you the absolute beginning or the absolute end or perfect love, for that matter.
So don't believe in the world or in time or in love.
"Scientific" proof is not the only type of evidence.
FYI Thunderfoot is very articulate, very popular and apparently very fair. But, again, reason worship, worship of self. He should apply himself equally to indicating the limits of the human intellect.